Greens ought to run in every race it believes it matters.

It is too simplistic (and simple-minded) to lay the recent Ohio congressional vote, (and Trump's election, and Bush's 2000 win in Florida), at Green's door, let alone cast blame.

Knowing that there was a Green in the Ohio-18 congressional race, the DNC might have much earlier on ramped up financial support for its candidate well earlier than they did. No guarantees, yet it would have been a good idea.

The point is that what is worse than the Republican pulling out this current congressional race in ten days...whatever the reasons....now or in November...what is worse is the idea that alternatives to major parties must preemptively cast themselves out of the game.

And it hardly matters, too, (to my argument) where my vote would've gone were I to have been a voter in Ohio's 18th Congressional District.

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Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on August 10, 2018 at 1:51pm

Good weekend to all

Comment by koshersalaami on August 10, 2018 at 2:34pm

The Greens did not get Trump elected. The Greens belong in any election where they have a good candidate and are remotely viable. I think more Greens in Congress would be good for the country. They’d vote with Democrats on the liberal stuff and would withhold swing votes when the Dems play too fast and loose, like a coalition partner. 

When you have a candidate as exceptionally awful as Trump running with a Vice Presidential candidate who is seriously scary, particularly while McConnell was refusing to vet the sitting President’s Supreme Court nominee, we needed to stop the guy. Some people say there is no difference between the major parties but when the ticket is Trump/Pence there is a difference. This is doubly true when the offered alternative is so insanely inexperienced at everything remotely related to the Presidency. A vote for Stein was irresponsible on its own merits. 

I am absolutely not saying that the Democratic Party selected Hillary responsibly, and I’m certainly not saying that Hillary ran a good campaign. Yes, it was Hillary’s responsibility to stop Trump and she did an embarrassingly awful job of it. However, it wasn’t only Hillary’s responsibility to stop Trump, it was ours. And I’m afraid that included Stein voters, none of whom could think with a shred of evaluation that a vote for Stein would accomplish that. 

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on August 10, 2018 at 2:48pm

There are Ds who do rail at Greens, even as to 2016, despite that their case is far weaker than it is in the other two races mentioned above.

Too, it is for Greens to decide if their candidates are viable...and "viable" to that party may well mean something different from what it might mean to you and me. 

A vote for Stein was irresponsible, yes, given her profound lack of what it would take to hold the office well ... but not bc she or her party had some obligation to try for a HRC win.

Comment by alsoknownas on August 10, 2018 at 4:10pm

^^^yes

Comment by Ron Powell on August 10, 2018 at 5:22pm

A really strong 3rd party could have forced Hillary to the table and won a negotiating and bargaining session with the primary goal of keeping Trump out of the White House...

This may well have included planks on the platform with an HRC commitment to honor and pursue them vigorously.

Two or the cabinet posts in a coalition type administration.

An HRC commitment to select Federal circuit court judges and Supreme Court Justices acceptable to the 3rd party...

There may be other aspects of such a 'stop Trump 1st' movement, but that would be a great place for a 3rd party to exert meaningful political influence if not control...

And have a leg up on becoming a viable force in future elections...

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on August 11, 2018 at 4:39am

The Greens are not a "really strong 3rd party", nor is there any evidence they are likely to become one.

My brief piece is hardly an argument abt Green viability.

I am making a statement against my own immediate interests in favor of what I believe are our collective long-term interests and about our putative national ideals, age-old.

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