I started off the day with an early e-mail to my friends, remarking on the callousness of the stooge daughter Ivanka, in her trademarked goofy fake smile dedicating a plaque to her daddy who is the "President of the United States on America", while dozens are being killed outside the ceremony and hundreds more injured.

Somewhere between the reneging of the Iran nuclear deal and the placement of a US Embassy in Jerusalem we find ourselves at the mercy of those who would start WWIII without concern.

My Jewish friend in the email chain had this to say:

"I have to say...they have caused more damage than they know. Netanyahu is no different than a war criminal.....The Palestinians need a homeland, a sovereign state, a capital and peace. Israel needs to marshal it's resources and talent , and participate in a peace process...2 state...Netanyahu's constituency is a bunch of hardline, right wing, fundamentalist Jewish extremists who believe the Messiah is actually on his way...and everyone else is a heathen. These are the same assholes ( lot's of whom immigrate from Chicago, NY and LA)...carry machine guns, pray all day, don't work, have a ton of kids, get welfare,  and cause all manner of trouble.

Jews rely on the Holocaust and declare "never again"... And that's fine ...But the Palestinians should not be subjected to an apartheid occupation by the military. Which is the current status. Trump has just made things much much worse..."

 I admit to not having a 3 day supply of water, canned soup, some flashlights and pillows or whatever it is that is deemed essential in case of a disaster. The wood door to the basement is easy enough to kick in and stopping the marauding hordes in the last hours seems to be a more energetic response than I could muster.

In fact, this mess is making me is making me wonder why the Hawaiians are running away from the lava.

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Comment by Maui Surfer on May 15, 2018 at 4:37pm

Where are your voices Trump Voters? According to your "opinions" Jared Kushner, an insolent punk, is in charge of the largest Military in the World's adventures in the Middle East now. It is hard to say whether it is treason or stupidity along with obvious lacking qualifications, so, who stands behind this imbecile and the First Daughter? Who feels good when a Fundamentalist Idiot confers the opening of a building which was guaranteed from the outset to cause death and destruction? All this from those who were furious with Rome for sacking the Temple in the first place? That's the incident that gave birth to your Christ God myth ...

Comment by koshersalaami on May 15, 2018 at 5:04pm


It's both. There’s a confluence of morality and self-preservation. They are very far from mutually exclusive. After all, killing us isn’t any more or less moral than killing everyone else.

As to genocide, if it were genocide they wouldn’t have to throw anything at troops or even crowd a border fence to get shot - they’d be hunted down and killed while doing nothing that could be construed as violent. Killing protestors has happened in many countries including this one (ask Maui from personal experience) but no one ever called it genocide. 

Comment by koshersalaami on May 15, 2018 at 5:10pm

Maui, there are Christians who aren’t right wing fundamentalist assholes. The issue isn’t Christianity, it’s what these people do with it, like the issue with Netanyahu’s allies isn’t Judaism, it’s what those people do with it. I don’t think showing disrespect for people for having Christian faith makes a lot of sense. 

Comment by Maui Surfer on May 15, 2018 at 5:47pm

Kosh- I don't have numbers in front of me to prove it, but, my hunch is the vast majority of Americans who are pro-Netanyahu are indeed "Christian" assholes who for reasons unknown actually believe in a coming Rapture and "rationalize" it will be better for them to, apparently whether living now or already dead according to their belief, rise into a sky over Jews and not Muslims. What difference would it make even if true? Muslims view Christ as a prophet and Saint so what in the heck would the difference actually be?

Comment by koshersalaami on May 15, 2018 at 6:25pm

I would agree that the majority of pro-Netanyahu Americans are probably fundamentalist Christians but it doesn’t follow that all Christians are Rapture-believing Netanyahu-supporting immoral nutcases. Seriously, be careful how broad that brush is. Last figures I saw (but they’re old, I think a lot of people have given up religion since), the proportion of the American population that identifies Christian is greater than the proportion of the Israeli population that identifies Jewish. On this site, the person who self-identifies Christian most conspicuously - outside of Doc, of course - is probably Anna, and she’s no nutcase. 

By the way, the Rapture doesn’t involve Christians rising over Jews, it involves Christians converting Jews. What has fueled this is that there’s some sort of New Testament prophesy that Jews will return to their land, as one of the stages leading up to the final good-evil confrontation. That this actually happened nearly two millennia after the prediction has really encouraged that population in believing this is true. That’s what’s behind this flavor of Christian Zionism. 

Comment by alsoknownas on May 16, 2018 at 7:01am

Thanks for the discussion.

Comment by Steel Breeze on May 16, 2018 at 7:06am

although i still see zero chance of a WW3.....if it happens,i'll play by my own rules this time.....

Comment by J.P. Hart on May 16, 2018 at 7:31am

Again: good one! alsoknownas

I've not been this indisposed since Jubilee at the MGM Grand: Overtired, (bloody marys, Special Exports) ramblin' gamblin' that yeoman's share. Ought to have changed jackets, used too much Brute body spray ... nearby audience tipped well just to get more than arm's length ... everywhere a song and a celebration,
I say!                                         
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Comment by Ben Sen on May 16, 2018 at 8:18am

The term genocide, as I have been informed about it, came into use after World War II when laws were promulgated in the international court, and the UN, then at Nuremberg the first trials came about and convictions based upon "crimes against humanity."  As with any other crime, those committed against one people do not justify those  committed against another, the same as homicide.  So no, technically, there was no such thing as "genocide" before the holocaust, but now that we have named it we are also better able to see when it happened historically, and when it is happening today, as it is in Palestine by the Israelis. 

Comment by koshersalaami on May 16, 2018 at 10:16am

Ben Sen,
I’m not claiming that genocide against one people justifies genocide against another. I’m concerned with mislabeling. There is more than one definition of genocide in use; what I care about is that whoever uses the term uses the same definition whenever they use it. If genocide is used to mean the attempted extermination of a people, which is certainly what the first genocide defined as one entailed, the term does not fit what is being done to the Palestinians at all. Applied to this situation it’s nothing but a propaganda term. This is not to excuse what’s happening now at the Gaza fences, which is more akin to Tienamen Square or perhaps Kent State than to what was done to Jews, Roma, Armenians, Tutsis, and Bosnians. (And what Hamas would do to Jews given the opportunity.) 

There is a second definition, a UN definition, but that definition is so all-inclusive as to be damned near meaningless. That definition would even cover what Muslims living in France are doing to the Jewish population there, thousands of whom have moved to Israel to avoid attacks. From a technical standpoint, that definition might even encompass Redlining. It’s bad, but it’s so common that the term used that way has no impact - the only way it has impact is by counting on people thinking you mean the first definition, and that would be deliberate deception. 


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