There was a time, when he confronted the traitor Bork, that I had some amount of admiration for Ralph Nader. It was mixed, as a Super Sport guy I had a problem with his problem with my Big Chevy's little cousin the Corvair, but, that was mostly just thinking of him as a basic dork, which he is and most certainly was. Now, it has been almost 20 years since I stood on a Berkeley street-corner, right near our dear People's Park (which is now in trouble yet again, they want a dorm on it this time) in a full steam full scream shouting match with idealistic imbecilic credulous fools who were chanting Nader Nader Nader over Gore. Well, Gore won, but, thanks to the Naderites, was forced to concede due to the real threat of a coup d'é·tat of the first order by James Baker and company, who Gore knew they actually knew how to arrange, and would, and so, in one of the most patriotic moves ever, he surrender to Shrub the Lesser. Far Left fairy tale tellers will spout long and strong that this was not the reason, but it was. They can say too many Florida Dems voted for Shrub, which is true, but, it was Shrub the Brother who forced his own Secretary of State to fake the count, then ran her out of town on a rail, never to be heard from again. She is probably still hiding under a rock somewhere, as the Naderites/Stein-ers also should be, but they are not.

Instead, they are telling the truth with a healthy removal of any pragmatism. Nader, finally regaining Bork-era form, yesterday lambasted the Dem Establishment, taking them all over the tool shed with truth that only a liar can deny. Take our agenda, he said of the Third Party, take it, and stop complaining you can't beat the worst group of Confederates since Lee's surrender as they continue to run amok over Slave built DC.

He cited the 1st Amendment and all his and Countess Jill's rights to run, all true, all fair in love, but most sadly, in WAR.

You see, while everything they do and say, and every race they run, is perfectly legal and perhaps was even planned by the Founders themselves in a very broad sense, they are still on the hook numerically for both Shrub's Wars (and the continued decimation of the Middle East, how strange Nader has so badly hurt his own, all those thousands of Lebanese Naders he's directly related to must be rubbing their heads bald when they think it over ...) and today's danger to the entire World posed by the Confederate Yankee Buckley/Atwater/Reagan/Nixon's Southern Strategy has finally placed in the throne General Lee so coveted.

So, Why? While it is true that both Nader and Stein share indirect and, frankly, unintended blame for the bad results millions now suffer at home and abroad, Sir Ralphie is quite right as he lays down the gauntlet to the Blue Machine of corporate Wankcockracy that is the Democratic Party (though Will Rogers remains on point). But, again, Why? The answer is sickening. The "top" Dems, 99% of whom hold their higher degrees so dear, have nothing but the ultimate disdain for the Hoi Polloi, and, so, keep losing close races due to their own conceit. They actually, very truly, cannot stand the unwashed and coal stained, the Idiocy of those to whom book learnin' never came easy or wasn't on the agenda on the farm or in the mine. They are disgusted by their habits, diets, hobbies, virtually everything they do makes the typical run of the mill Liberal want to puke their guts out.

So, while they put them down, the Right follows what LBJ told Moyers, over and over and over, and wins every time as, in fact, too many of those Hoi Polloi really are that pathetic and predictable, and want another Huey Long more than anything but simply can't find one.

What to do, What to do? I hate Nader's guts, would like to gut punch him though he's too geriatric and thin and would probably croak on the spot, putting me in the chair as a villain to Commies everywhere, as if I was a Gavrilo slaying a Ferdinand. The Problem?, the problem is he's right ... spot on right.

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Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on May 11, 2018 at 5:45pm

Interesting how you can slam everyone over here on the left, yet be so willing to steal use our ideas to get your own party hacks elected.  No worries, its all good.  You are welcome to HELP achieve our goals.  We're "pragmatic like that.   

BTW, regarding your whole "Instead, they are telling the truth with a healthy removal of any pragmatism." thing...  at least YOUR version of "pragmatism"...

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(just thought you'd like to see how I picture you)

Comment by Maui Surfer on May 11, 2018 at 5:52pm

That should be a Peace Sign on my shirt SBA. Those aren't your ideas, and I doubt you ever fought in the street for them against truly formidable enemies and odds, and when I say fight I mean with blood and the whole nine yards, not t-shirts and megaphones. You are a poser, who simply adopted a pet, appropriated what seemed right for your range on the spectrum, which is fine, but without any sacrifice. Don't ever claim OUR ideas are yours, we fought for YOU and yours long before you were born, but, I've told you that ad nauseum and it falls on deaf, and non-pragmatic, ears.

Comment by koshersalaami on May 11, 2018 at 7:33pm

I agree with this assessment. We needed to keep the Republicans out of office but the idiot Democrats are blowing it in two ways: we allow our leadership to be way too corporatistic and too many of us are bigoted as Hell when it comes to less educated White people. 

Comment by Maui Surfer on May 11, 2018 at 7:42pm

Thanks for weighing in Kosh; it is time to pony up. We have a yuge November Rain coming and the top of the Democratic Party has to be washed away, permanently. I love Pelosi for who she is and her ability to whip votes like no other since LBG and the disgraced DeLay. Other than that, we tried and failed to give the world Bernie, can you imagine how different things would be? So, given that failure it is TIME TO STEP ASIDE and let the next Generation have at it. Almost none are Republicans, very few identify as conservative at all. This time Nader is right, take the Third Party Agenda and MAKE IT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLANKS.

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Comment by koshersalaami on May 11, 2018 at 8:18pm

I’ve been saying that for quite a while. We shouldn’t be trying to beat the Democratic Party but to own it. 

Comment by Maui Surfer on May 11, 2018 at 8:28pm

We'd better. You can't possibly ask for a better chance scenario, and, the alternative is basically Armageddon.

Comment by Ron Powell on May 12, 2018 at 12:35am

I've been months, if not years, ahead of the curve on this . In typical exchanges with Amy I've advocated that the third party adherents take a page from the Tea Party playbook and usurp, coopt, and depose the Democratic Party in the same manner that the Tea Party has taken control of the Republican Party....

The two party politcal process, and bicameral political system was deeply embedded in the DNA of American political life and culture....

Read and absorb the political dynamics of the Revolution and the Constitutional Conventions and the Constitution itself and you can see that it's all there as the bedrock foundation of how politics and government work in this country and, more importantly, why they work as they do ..

Comment by Ron Powell on May 12, 2018 at 12:36am

BTW;  I have said repeatedly that the Democrats have had a knack for wining debates and losing elections for decades...

There is absolutely no way a Democrat is supposed to lose Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Pennsylvania simultaneously.

Had Hillary Clinton won in just one of those so-called democratic strong holds we'd be living a markedly different history....

Comment by J.P. Hart on May 12, 2018 at 2:05am

change is gonna come, guys. Less than an hour, the sun also rises: 5:32 am. 

Read long ago that every Senator must raise at least $20k per diem to even contemplate a viable campaign. So no kidding that's 730M or 3/4 of a B of favors in and favors out or pending per annum.



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