Reason # 8,491,205 of WHY I HATE MOST MEN

Madison Avenue has always been a hot bed of sexism.

 

That said, I don't think there has been much improvement other then the current Mad MEN running for cover by throwing a thin veil of acceptability over their sexism... sexism that seems to be perfect okay with virtually all other men.

The problem is that most men still see women just as they did in the 1800s...  as "chattel" that know how to cook, clean and "obey" in the bedroom.  Even the ones who "claim" to be male feminists (which is usually bullshit) rarely if ever object very strongly over sexism propaganda in the MSM, in advertising or even sports events.

Don't believe me?  Well compare the old blatant sexism to the current sexism and tell me that it isn't almost as bad...  I need a good laugh!

Here is what used to be "acceptable":

...and here is what is "currently acceptable:

See much difference?  Me neither!

What I see is propagation of a male dominating rape culture that says that men can sexualize women whenever they want and that women's sole purpose is to please men.

Just as others have said here about other forms of discrimination, shit like ^^ THIS ^^ will continue on because this is what is being taught (through continuous propaganda and by example) to today's kids.  

The only way this will stop is if the majority of men make it stop by boycotting products that sexualize women, vote sexist "we know what women need" politicians out of office (and that includes a LOT of Democrats!) and start teaching their sons AND their daughters that women are equal and that committing rape is a REAL crime.

I'm not holding out much hope for this to happen any time soon...  which is why I hate you bastards who are currently accepting this shit.

P.S.  This is also aimed at non-hetero men, as well, because they are some of the biggest misogynists on the planet!

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Comment by moki ikom on March 29, 2018 at 9:54am

" ... most ..."  

"Most" must certainly mean more than 50 out of 100, but at some point "most"  has to mean 'virtually all '  like say 97 out of 100, or 91 out of ahundred.  

I suspect a lot of hatred for man-kind as opposed to hatred for woman-kind has to do with the experience one has growing up with man-kind family relatives.

Comment by Anna Herrington on March 29, 2018 at 10:14am

I'm a mother of sons, I'm surrounded by men most days. I like boys, I like men, and had a real active struggle with how society treats boys, too, while raising them, the shoving down or mocking or much worse whenever a boy (or a man for that matter) has an emotion or doesn't act 'manly' or aggressive or stoic enough...... and the ads infantilizing and making stupid the dads/men in the family are highly offensive, as well.

I, for one, don't see the point in pendulum swings of empowerment, back and forth, back and forth, when what humans really need is a balancing of empowerment and support, for all.

My enthusiasm for this post is all about the advertising. Its chronic marginalizing and objectifying of women... it's really pathetic.

(I find women objectifying men repulsive, too, for what it's worth.)

And how difficult when one's been oppressed and marginalized for ages - gender, race, orientation, other - to then take the high road to wanting balance rather than revenge....

but how necessary if we are actually interested in societal, human evolvement. imho.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on March 29, 2018 at 5:42pm

"We have to look at it and turn it around, up and down and beat it to death - and not via a man's POV. 

men don't get this.  we BARELY get this - it's so ingrained in our culture, it's under our skin, how we dress, speak, relate to ourselves, our family, our friends, how we interact with men, how we subtley undermine ourselves, sometimes by going too far or not far enough.  we're dog paddling and we're making slow progress but it's fucking hard.

what kills me is "liberal men".  at least with the right, we know what's coming at us." 

EXACTLY!  That is kinda, sorta why posts like this one are written!  

Additionally, I think you are right on the money that it is NOT a liberal vs. conservative thing because BOTH of them do it! (...and, no...  I'm not going to put up with this post turning into a "Yeah, but they're much WORSE" diatribe because you are ALL equally bad).  

FFS, you can see perfect examples right here in the comments:

  • You've got Steel Breeze apparently missing the point (hopefully accidentally)... (BTW, SB... it ain't the advertising, dude...  it's the people who produce the advertising, the people the advertising is aimed at and the environment that allows sexist shit like this to keep going on for DECADES.)

  • You've then got Ron jumping in with a horrendous example of a woman who has been brainwashed by the male-centric bullshit we get hammered with every stinking day!  (Ron, probably because he has experienced so much discrimination his own self, at least now gets it... so kudos to him for that).

  • Then 'ol Maui Faker pipes up and does his damnest to disingenuously and simultaneously change the subject from women to how abused the poor men are, take a whack at Millennial and Gen X-ers AND imply that sexism only happened long ago and can just plain 'ol be ignored nowadays.  (What part of sexism, that happened in those old movies DOESN'T happen today, slick?)

  • Next up is KS (after man'splaining again because what I said obviously wasn't clear enough so it needed to be "built upon by a man, of course) doing HIS damnest to guide the conversation into what is being taught in school!  (Some how I doubt there are any classes labeled Sexist Pig-ism 101, KS.  What teach our boys to be harassers and rapists and our girls to be acceptors and keep quiet is the constant barrage of sexist crap being thrown at them 24/7 by men!)

  • Last but not least is good old moki ikom who makes a point about the meaning of "Most" (after doing his version of "man'splain" "most" from 50% or greater all the way up to " 'virtually all ' like say 97 out of 100"  ::roll eyes::) and doing HIS damnest to imply that women's "hatred" of men must be based upon something else like "family relatives" (...because it clearly can't have anything to do with men's actions and behaviors in general.  ::roll eyes:: X Nth)

So there are four self-avowed "liberals" and one "right of center" Republican all doing the exact same shit...  Ignoring what the point is BECAUSE WOMEN ARE MAKING IT!

I gotta tell ya, FM...  I just can't believe that that is totally accidental.  I'm just not buying that "propaganda" any more.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 29, 2018 at 6:38pm

Why would you target a guy who already conceded your point? 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on March 29, 2018 at 7:01pm

"Why would you target a guy who already conceded your point?"

Hmmmm...  maybe because YOU ARE MISSING OUR POINT?  Yeah, that could be the reason.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on March 29, 2018 at 7:10pm

THIS!  This is exactly the crap we are talking about.  

How can a company like this exist?  I'll tell you...  men haven't told them to knock their shit off...  and do NOT give me the song and dance that it is just this company!  As said in the HuffPo article, "Simmons had worked for about 20 years in the beverage industry, a notoriously unfriendly business for women."  That means it is systemic!

Trapped Inside The Monster Energy Frat House

A woman who worked at the drink company said she was sexually harassed and abruptly fired. This is what can happen when a boys club runs amok.
Comment by koshersalaami on March 29, 2018 at 8:35pm

Is your point that most men are disrespectful to women? Yes. Most men are, to varying extents, and political orientation has more to do with how OK it is to express openly that to whether it manifests at all, and even that is limited. I doubt Harvey Weinstein is conservative. And of course it’s systemic. If it weren’t systemic, there would be no point to feminism. 

I still don’t get why you’d target a guy who conceded your point. Ron told you that you were right and he was wrong. What was unsatisfactory about that?

Of course I don’t exactly get why you came down on me for supporting you either, and I really don’t get why a behavior is classified as sexist when I do the exact same thing to men (ask Maui) but I somehow find that more expected. If you want to assign me a role in your agenda, fine. If I don’t want to be assigned a role, I shouldn’t show up. 

Comment by lorianne on March 29, 2018 at 9:06pm

Part of the point i think is that men do not need to clarify what women are saying (or even build on) about something we live and breathe every single day that we are on the planet.

When you try to clarify or build on it, you arent being helpful, you are implying (intended or otherwise) that we need your 'help' . that we need another voice to make a point about something we are already experts about.

"...of course it’s systemic. If it weren’t systemic, there would be no point to feminism. "  - Women know this & not in an intellectual way. We know this in every fiber of our being. It could have remained unsaid in your comments to Amy if you assumed as a woman she already knows this because she is an expert in the field of what sexism is.

The first step most men need to take in being feminists (if thats even a real thing...male feminists) is to accept & acknowledge that women are the experts on this topic... we know already, please dont explain it to us.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 29, 2018 at 9:39pm

I’m not explaining it to you. Actually, I was making a point to Ron about a racial parallel because Amy raised the topic in answer to something he said. Aside from which, even if I weren’t addressing Ron, explaining is a way of indicating we get it. 

I can’t figure out the appropriate response here or if there even is one. A supportive response is condescending, an unsupportive response is clueless and nasty, and I might conclude that this isn’t the best sort of post for men to comment on at all except for the fact that I assume this post is meant for males to read because, as you (Lorianne) point out, you are already experts about this, so it’s not you who are going to learn from this. If you don’t mind, give me some guidance here. Are we supposed to Like it to indicate we’ve read it but shut up? Does this mean there’s a category of post where part of the Our Salon population shouldn’t comment? 

I’m not asking rhetorical questions here. I mean them literally. (I usually do.) I do not see any response or even lack of response as appropriate. What is?

Comment by lorianne on March 29, 2018 at 10:10pm

I understand your confusion.  I dont doubt that often men "think" they are making supportive comments.  But what is supportive about re-explaining & clarifying ?  

"explaining is a way of indicating we get it. "  Ok, well, for women the re-explaining of our thoughts has a long history of being done because our voices were not enough. So maybe find a different way of saying "we get it" like i dunno....saying "I get it" or "i understand & that sucks, what can men do to change or help?" or a million other ways of saying you get it without  the re-explain.

A true supportive response is not condescending,  We dont need our words repeated, we dont need our thoughts explained, we dont need paraphrasing. We need men to hear & believe and validate that what we know is inherent truth that can stand alone without embelishments.

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