apartheid

noun apart·heid \ ə-ˈpär-ˌtāt , -ˌtīt \
  1. (in the Republic of South Africa) [or Israel and/or The Occupied Territories of Palestine] a rigid former policy of segregating and economically and politically oppressing the nonwhite [Jewish] population.
  2. any system or practice that separates people according to color,ethnicity, caste, etc.

There are a multitude of people (including here) who strongly deny that Israel is an apartheid state.  How they can repeatedly deny this is, frankly, amazing when the definition of "apartheid" proves what liars they are.

Repeated instances of this abound.  For example:  

On February 3rd, 2018 a group of extremist Israeli colonists attacked several Palestinian farmers on their own lands in Beit Ummar town, north of Hebron, in the southern part of the occupied West Bank.  

The settlers hurled stones at the farmers, hitting several, while shouting and cussing at them.  The attackers forced the Palestinians out of their lands, and threatened to kill them.  

Not only were the settlers not arrested... Israeli soldiers stood nearby to protect the settlers, without intervening.

Now compare that to:

On December 15th, 2017, 15-year-old Mohammad Tamimi was shot in the face by an Israeli soldier while participating in an unarmed protest of Trump's Jerusalem declaration. Just minutes later, his 16-year-old cousin Ahed rose up to protect her family’s home after two armed soldiers invaded her yard.  Ahed asked the soldiers to leave. When they refused, and tried to use her property as a base from which to shoot at protesters, she slapped one of them.

Ahed was arrested a few days later in the middle of the night. Her cousin Noor and her mother Nariman were also arrested. All three have been indicted by Israel's military court, which has a 99.7% conviction rate and lacks basic fair trial protections.

Ahed has been denied bail, has repeatedly been interrogated, kept in isolation and constantly moved around to different jails so that people could not contact her (including attorneys) and her trial has been repeatedly postponed at the request of the Israeli military who will illegally be holding the trial of a civilian.

All of this happened in spite of both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch calling for her release.  

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Get it yet?  We, the American people, are GIVING the Apartheid state of Israel almost $4 billion per year.  

Just to make it clear(er)...  Apartheid is an international crime.  In accordance with Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, Israel is guilty of acts such as torture, murder, forcible transfer, imprisonment, or persecution of an identifiable group on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, or other grounds, "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime".

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Ahed Tamimi is a political prisoner of an apartheid regime.  

If you are okay with her abuse at the hands of Israel please say so in the comments so that I can add YOU to my "Fuck Off and Die" list.

If you are NOT okay with what is happening to her, do not wish to support international criminals and/or no longer wish to send your tax dollars to an apartheid regime then:

  • Call/write/email ALL of your Congress people and let them know that.

BDS

  • Support and donate to the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) Movement.

https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds

  • Join and support CodePink!

http://www.codepink.org/

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Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on February 13, 2018 at 8:03am

BTW, as if there was any doubt, Israel is now hold a closed Kangaroo "trial" for Ahed.  I guess having journalists watching the preceding made them "afraid".  I guess that is all you can expect from "the only democracy in the middle east", right?

Judge orders closed trial for Ahed Tamimi

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180213-judge-orders-closed-tria...

Comment by Phyllis on February 13, 2018 at 9:09am

I still don't know why the Universe deemed humans as an acceptable species.

Comment by Foolish Monkey on February 13, 2018 at 11:02am

phyllis is right.  I don't know where our country is going or where the world is going for that matter.  maybe this is nothing new.  I don't know.

Comment by koshersalaami on February 14, 2018 at 9:26am

Amy,

Experience tells me I shouldn’t write this comment, because it’s about a topic you don’t tend to pay much attention to, but it’s still important. I’ll probably feel like an idiot for bothering but, on the off chance that I don’t, I’ll take a shot.

I am in agreement with you about every Israeli action you talk about here, and I find reading you on this topic useful because you pay way closer attention to the day to day actions of Israel than I do. In fact, I don’t. That I am in agreement actually shouldn’t come as a surprise because I have never agreed with Israel’s conduct on the West Bank. 

Turning this into an issue over apartheid means that the argument is over whether this is apartheid or not. The main reason I’d argue that it isn’t is that there is a major difference in treatment between the occupied population on the West Bank and the ethnically identical Israeli Arab population, so this mistreatment is not strictly an ethnic issue, which apartheid is. Israel’s ethnic intolerance is not comparable to South Africa’s.

All of which is beside the point. The point isn’t whether or not this is apartheid, the point is whether or not the Israeli government is mistreating the Palestinian population on the West Bank, allowing Israeli citizens in the settlements to do whatever the Hell they want to to the Palestinian population, and whether the Israeli government is holding closed trials of unarmed teenaged girls who didn’t actually injure anyone. 

Do you get that every time you call this apartheid I have to worry about demonizing Israel for what I don’t think they’re technically guilty of instead of worrying about the shit Israel is pulling based on it being shit? 

For you to make a point along the lines of expecting our government to say to Israel:

“Guys, if you’re going to expect four billion a year from us, you have to do better when it comes to human rights on the West Bank. This protecting settlers while they throw rocks at Palestinian farmers is unacceptable bullshit. If you’re going to occupy a population, which we think shouldn’t be indefinite to begin with, that population is entitled to basic protection from assaults by your own citizens.” 

is a point you can make with a whole lot less opposition.

It depends what you want and who you want on your side. I don’t know if you find me more valuable as a political ally or a political opponent. Either is possible. 

If you want to get rid of Israel, I and a whole lot of others are going to tell you that you’re focusing on a human rights violator in a sea of worse human rights violators, some of which get substantial American foreign aid, and in exchange for a whole lot less military benefits, and we’re going to question your motivation in focusing on this one in particular, particularly given that their internal domestic human rights climate is probably the best in the Middle East, which is sad but true. These are, incidentally, my problems with BDS: that they focus on an actor instead of on conduct and that who they were founded by and run by are people whose agenda is the elimination of Israel, not the establishment of two states. 

If you want to get Israel to stop persecuting Palestinians on the West Bank and to get a whole lot more serious about a two state solution, that’s completely different. I can support that completely. I already agree with it. So do large parts of the American Jewish community. Shit, the Reform Judaism movement agrees with this as a matter of stated policy. 

But we can’t pile on in the face of “apartheid,” “genocide,” and a boycott movement that only targets one human rights violator surrounded by worse and far less tolerant ones. We are not prepared to support any movement that threaten Israel’s existence while no other violator is singled out to have its existence threatened, or even its economy boycotted. Seriously, what other human rights violator has a boycott movement? Russia? China? Saudi Arabia? Turkey? Syria? Egypt? Are we supposed to buy into a mentality including, as another blogger has repeatedly claimed, that Israel’s human rights violations are the worst on Earth since the Holocaust? 

I want to pile on on these issues. Israel is wrong about them. Blatantly. This is not just. I am embarrassed that Jews do this. 

But the treatment of Israel isn’t just either. And that means I have to dilute my opposition to their policies with opposition of policies toward them. If Israel’s existence were blatantly off the table - 

which I realize may not make sense to you because you’ve never seen Israel’s existence threatened credibly, but I have - 

I and a whole lot of others could focus on Israel’s conduct and maybe really help end the West Bank persecution once and for all. We have a better shot than you do alone. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on February 14, 2018 at 11:28am

Jesus christ, KS...  I don't even know where to begin because you are starting with utter bullshit and them going on from there.

Oh, what the hell.

Let's start with this:

  • “Guys, if you’re going to expect four billion a year from us, you have to do better when it comes to human rights on the West Bank. This protecting settlers while they throw rocks at Palestinian farmers is unacceptable bullshit. If you’re going to occupy a population, which we think shouldn’t be indefinite to begin with, that population is entitled to basic protection from assaults by your own citizens.” 

You start out by manipulating the conversation to be only the West Bank, thereby "excusing" the atrocities committed in Gaza and "normalizing" the HUUUUGE number of discriminatory laws and policies in Israel (the 1948 border...  the rest is stolen!) and then go even further by blather some shit about "golly gosh, someday y'all might want to consider not occupying another country FOR SEVENTY FUCKING YEARS!"  Ya fucking THINK?  How well has our negotiating with the Israeli government worked in the past?  

Then let's move on to:

  • "a point you can make with a whole lot less opposition"

Screw kissing their asses.  Maybe they will better understand being treated 1/10 as badly as they treat the Palestinians WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!

Next:

"If you want to get rid of Israel, I and a whole lot of others are going to tell you that you’re focusing on a human rights violator in a sea of worse human rights violators, some of which get substantial American foreign aid, and in exchange for a whole lot less military benefits, and we’re going to question your motivation in focusing on this one in particular, particularly given that their internal domestic human rights climate is probably the best in the Middle East, which is sad but true. These are, incidentally, my problems with BDS: that they focus on an actor instead of on conduct and that who they were founded by and run by are people whose agenda is the elimination of Israel, not the establishment of two states." 

No one including modern Hamas wants to get rid of Israel.  They/we just want them to go back to the borders they initially agreed to (which is bullshit.  They NEVER intended to stay within those borders and we both know it).

BTW, please point out where I have ever given this misogynistic assholes in Saudi Arabia or Egypt (both oddly enough Israel's bestest buddies) any sort of a pass?  You are doing your normal hasbara bullshit here and are trying to reform everything to fit your preferred propaganda model.  A perfect example of this kind of crap is your attempts to both excuse Israel by saying "but BDS hit us back FIRST!" and by implying that anyone who supports BDS is a fucking terrorist (which is pretty rich coming from a guy who supports actual terrorists and war criminals).  Seeing as how the BDS Movement was created by PALESTINIANS to combat atrocities against PALESTINIANS BY ISRAEL just who in the hell do you THINK they should focus on?

Nope.  Sorry, bub...  not gonna let you justify ANY of the actions of Israel OR its people who elected this hot mess of a fascist government.  They routinely elect people like Bibi and Bennett, support and encourage apartheid laws and policies and eat their fucking popcorn and cheer as innocent people are murdered with US furnished F-16s.  Bottom line is that Israeli get/will get what they so richly deserve because the rest of the world is getting pretty fed up with them.

Comment by koshersalaami on February 14, 2018 at 8:16pm

“No one including Hamas” is crap. That’s revisionism. And you can pretend you don’t avoid criticizing them all you want, including when they executed a senior military official for being gay, but you do. You’re right, I focus on the West Bank, because I support Israel in Gaza. Hamas is that bad. 

When have you ever given the Saudis or Egyptians a pass? That’s easy: When you don’t support boycotting, divesting, or sanctioning them or anyone other than Israel. If you do, it’s news to all of us because you sure as Hell never suggest it. Are you really going to tell me that BLM can get around to solidarity against Israel but you can’t get around to solidarity against the Saudis, Egyptians, or anyone else? 

No, Israel will not get what they deserve. And neither will the Palestinians. It won’t matter if the world gets fed up with them. Firstly, if they were ever on the verge of really losing territory, which past a very limited point they’d equate with survival, probably with good reason, they’d use nukes, and there isn’t a country in the world capable of stopping them, including us. 

Public pressure? From where? The Egyptians and Saudis are getting along with them, in part because they both hate and fear Hamas but not Israel and all three fear Iran. The United States? Israel has support from the Christian Right and most of the Jewish Left. Try getting elected to anything without support of either. Europe? Europe is in danger of turning very anti-Arab because of major problems integrating immigrants. If that happens, Israel will gain support, including for its oppression. 

Gains on American campuses? Those on campuses don’t limit themselves very well. See, for example, antizionist students harassing Jews on their way to High Holy Day services on my old campus. If that movement turns too blatantly antisemitic, and it unfortunately really has that potential, the American Right will be handed a club to wield, and the result will be a split Left that isn’t strong enough to make a difference without Jewish participation and especially with Jewish opposition based on an accusation of bigotry that, because of some excesses, could be made to stick. The Left already has an antisemitic history. That’s an easy trap. 

American efforts have by and large been inept, in part because Americans don’t get that the Palestinians have to win concessions by themselves in negotiations. Mahmoud Abbas actually complained about Obama on this. If too many concessions are given up front, that’s where Palestinians start negotiating, Israel doesn’t give, and the process is stuck. 

Where are you going to get allies that will do you any good? It doesn’t matter what I want for Israel - I don’t see a way that your path gets you what you want. I’m not telling you this as a PR exercise. I wouldn’t bother. How is any PR from me going to affect you? We both know it isn’t. 

You want a path toward the end of oppression. I don’t think you’re on it. I don’t like the Israeli government, I don’t like a damned thing they do in the West Bank, I don’t like the discrimination within Israel, but I don’t think the variety of opposition you favor will do any good getting rid of any of the above. It will mobilize more opposition than support. 

Don’t think I’m alone, even here. If you talk about how the actions you outline in your post are unjust, you’ll get a lot of agreement. If you talk about how those actions constitute apartheid, you’ll get an argument about apartheid.  So you’ll call a lot of people names - hypocrite, hasbara, whatever have you - and Palestinians will continue to suffer because you aren’t building the most effective coalition you could. 

Yeah, I know. I was right when I said I was an idiot to start this conversation. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on February 14, 2018 at 8:42pm

Yeah, I know. I was right when I said I was an idiot to start this conversation. 

No argument about that from me.  As usually you are spewing half truths and total bullshit just like the textbook definition of hasbara and is the primary strategy from Israel's game book.  (and, no...  I don't think those self-serving bastards in Israel will use nukes.  To say so is simply more of your fear mongering and stinks of Trump, FFS!)

Public pressure? From where? The Egyptians and Saudis are getting along with them, in part because they both hate and fear Hamas but not Israel and all three fear Iran. The United States? Israel has support from the Christian Right and most of the Jewish Left. Try getting elected to anything without support of either.

Thank you for admitting that there is damn little difference between the Christian Right and most of the Jewish Left and that you both manipulate and threaten anyone who DARES to not kiss your Zionist asses.  Your threats in defense of "Israel, the Nation-State of the Jewish People" are duly noted.

Comment by koshersalaami on February 15, 2018 at 7:47am

Admitting? I’ve been talking about why Israel is guaranteed continued American support for years. If that’s the reality, how do you get around that? I’ve been explaining how for years. 

I said nothing about there being damn little difference. What I said is that both support Israel, actually for different reasons. Right now the Christian Right provides more unquestioning support for AIPAC. 

Nukes? There is only one reason Israel has nukes, and that’s in the event the country doesn’t think it will survive. If it doesn’t, I would expect nuclear use. Keep in mind that a border crossed can mean the country goes very quickly. First of all, the country is tiny. People forget how tiny. Way, way smaller than the state either of us lives in. A lot of the time territorial disputes can be measured in acreage. The second thing to understand is that in the event the Israeli population is in existential trouble, there is no direction to move the population. One side is water and no border is friendly to the point of accepting refugees. There is nowhere to go. Also keep in mind that this is a country comprised of people that do not think they can depend on any other country in the event they’re in mortal danger. This is a population comprised of the descendants of refugees from around the Middle East where no one defended them (a circumstance the world doesn’t typically bother to acknowledge) and of Holocaust survivors where the world let one out of three of their people be murdered without intervening in the process. 

You’ve probably heard the expression “know your enemy.” That expression doesn’t translate to “know how your enemy is evil.” If you want to change their behavior, and you indicate pretty often that you do, it helps to understand their behavior at a more sophisticated level than “they’re evil bigots.” 

You may be the only person here who thinks this conversation is a propaganda exercise. It’s not, at least not from my end. I’m a compulsive explainer, and this is just one more of my compulsive explanations. You’ll notice I’m not talking about Israel’s right to anything. All I’m talking about is the effects of viewpoints on policy and where those viewpoints are likely to lead under what circumstances. I think to accomplish anything, that’s the most important conversation. 

If you want to alter American support for Israel, or at least increase American pressure on Israel in a direction that’s likely to achieve two states, the most obviously effective way to do this is to alter the behavior of a group that supports Israel heavily. You can’t alter the behavior of the Christian Right because you don’t have anything to say that they’re remotely interested in. That leaves the Jewish Left. I can tell you what it would take to shift their/our position, but you don’t seem interested. If you’d rather write polemics here, fine. I’ll leave you alone part of the time and the rest of the time I’ll contradict your vocabulary, we’ll spin our wheels some more, and we’ll both run in place. You’ll feel like you’re fighting the good fight. I suppose if that gives you satisfaction that’s something but it won’t do much else. It won’t because you’re more concerned with the process than with the results. 

That, I think, is the part of you I don’t get and never have. I don’t grasp the concept of a cause being important but of the results of service to that cause being secondary to the act of serving. It’s almost a religious perspective: If I fight for my cause I’ll go to Heaven. I’m not worried about the fight. What I want is two states next to each other and this crap being over. I’m not worried about fighting antiZionists, I’m worried about what it would take. I don’t think my identity as a fighter is remotely as important as getting there. I don’t view myself as important enough to elevate concerns for my self-image over bringing us closer to getting something done. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on February 15, 2018 at 8:18am

...and of Holocaust survivors where the world let one out of three of their people be murdered...

BINGO!!!!!!!  

All I needed on my Zionist Propaganda Bingo card was "evoke Holocaust survivors".  YAY me!!!!

BTW, both of us know that the "Holocaust" had fuckall to do with the creation of Israel.  That goes back to 'ol Teddy Herzl back in 1897 and got finalized by Sykes & Balfour selling out to Wally Rothschild back in 1917, in exchange for Jewish support for WW 1.

  • "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Comment by koshersalaami on February 15, 2018 at 8:31am

Jesus H. Christ. ABG is right about you, you don’t read, which is I guess why you voted in support of domestic violence on Ron’s blog this morning. 

I wasn’t talking about justifying Israel’s existence at all. The topic wasn’t on the table. In fact, in the last comment, I blatantly said

”YOU’LL NOTICE I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL’S RIGHT TO ANYTHING.” 

Seriously, could you please knock off the Pavlovian responses? 

I mentioned the Holocaust in the context of the probability of Israel going nuclear if invaded. 

Look, Amy, if you have a learning disability or something could you please tell me so I can be more considerate? 

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