The question is worthy of the leader of the KKK, The Neo-Nazis, or any other white supremacist  organization:

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?"  ---Donald J Trump

This is why we must continue to argue and parse what racism is and who racists are....

Condemnation of this question is not enough. This must be squarely confronted for exactly and precisely what it is.

So here's the question:

Why haven't we heard from the people who were in the room when Trump asked his question?

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Comment by Rodney Roe on January 12, 2018 at 10:15am

@Amy, the history of ethnic groups in the South would make an interesting historical piece.  I didn't know about discrimination against Sicilians, but it makes sense within the warped view of many white Southerners.  A college friend from my hometown, and roommate for a couple of years, was of Italian heritage.  The only time I saw him express prejudice was against Greeks.  It took some time before I realized that it was along religious lines: RCC vs. Greek Orthodox.  

I went to school with Jews and Greeks and never saw any discrimination against them (although the Jewish kids thought they were discriminated against) but it was before the days of integration, so I had no schoolmates who were black til I was in college.  They were definitely discriminated against; they couldn't stay in the dorms.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on January 12, 2018 at 10:51am

@ABG, stop being such a total asshole and go look up the meaning of "one of the", m'kay?,_1891,_lynchings

@RR, what you also might have seen from your college friend is the discriminatory racism that northern Italians show towards Greeks, southern Italians and Sicilians (we are a LOT darker skinned).  I mark that down to them interbreeding too much with the French and Germans.

Comment by Maui Surfer on January 12, 2018 at 11:05am

While the number of atrocities committed by KKK type whites in the USA is so high as to be never actually fully accounted, the TULSA incident is one that should be taught from grammar school on and used as the barometer for what today's Confederates, led by a Yankee amazingly, are all about. I've studied this for years, and while in a disturbing but unsurprising way all available copies of newspaper reports were intentionally destroyed, as was the microfiche archiving the articles. As a result, we had only verbal accounts, however, recently some very short yet very powerful film clips were discovered which showed exactly what happened. The white scum, all KKK and all very very jealous of the success of Black Wall Street, relied not just on their rampaging mobs, but, had their WWI former fighter pilots actually take to the sky and bomb the Black Folks to oblivion.

Welcome to Oklahoma, or Indian Country as it was supposed to be called before yet another set of treaties were broken and several more rounds of genocide invoked on First Nation peoples to go with the attack on African American success.

Trump and about half of current US Whites represent all this, to this day. They feel what has been talked about for years, the shift in numbers is near, and they are scared to death, if you ask them the question in the right way psychology where their lesser intelligence is fooled into speaking a true answer, they will admit what they fear is revenge, the same kind they would seek.

What they are much too stupid to understand is there is no revenge, no one group to come after them, only a Rainbow of people, like those here in the Islands, who want to live- together.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on January 12, 2018 at 11:12am

WHAT? you don't like being caught in a ... blatant lie?

Okay, asshole...  I know your cognitive dissonance won't let you see anything but your bigoted little world view, but where did I lie?  Prove I did or admit you are totally full of shit, dude.  

Comment by moki ikom on January 12, 2018 at 11:12am

Were every single individual of every other species on the planet to have a voice in the matter regarding the president's observation yesterday about poop puka countries that overlay and underlay every single cubic millimeter of lands and waters above and below sea level and to a large extent the sea itself. , they'd agree with the president wholeheartedly.  How could they not, about all that will be evidential of the president's country a million years from now will be that his country had made itself to be greatest shithole and wastes recepticle in all of Humanity's existence in the Universe, indeed all of Humanity, Life itself possibly, could be said to have been wasted there. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on January 12, 2018 at 11:18am

@Ron, I apologize to responding to ABG's taunts, but, as you said, some "This stuff must be immediately confronted when and where it occurs" and ABG's "selective" history and calling me a liar is one of my "This stuff"s.

Comment by moki ikom on January 12, 2018 at 11:49am


Black Code and Jim Crow Law examples

  • Some common elements of Black Codes were: • Race was defined by blood; the presence of any amount of black blood made one black.
  • Employment was required of all freedmen; violators faced vagrancy charges.
  • Freedmen could not assemble without the presence of a white person.
  • Freedmen were assumed to be agricultural workers and their duties and hours were tightly regulated.
  • Freedmen were not to be taught to read or write.
  • Public facilities were segregated.
  • Violators of these laws were subject to being whipped or branded. Some Black Codes in Louisiana:Any negro found drunk, within the said parish shall pay a fine of five dollars, or in default thereof work five days on the public road, or suffer corporeal punishment as hereinafter provided.
  • No negro who is not in the military service shall be allowed to carry fire-arms, or any kind of weapons, within the parish, without the special written permission of his employers, approved and indorsed by the nearest and most convenient chief of patrol.
  • No negro shall be permitted to preach, exhort, or otherwise declaim to congregations of colored people, without a special permission in writing from the president of the police jury.
  • Every negro is required to be in the regular service of some white person, or former owner, who shall be held responsible for the conduct of said negro. But said employer or former owner may permit said negro to hire his own time by special permission in writing, which permission shall not extend over seven days at any one time.
  • No negro shall be permitted to rent or keep a house within said parish. Any negro violating this provision shall be immediately ejected and compelled to find an employer; and any person who shall rent, or give the use of any house to any negro, in violation of this section, shall pay a fine of five dollars for each offence. Some Black Codes in Mississippi:All contracts for labor made with freedmen, free negroes, and mulattoes for a longer period than one month shall be in writing, and in duplicate, attested and read to said freedman, free negro, or mulatto by a beat, city or county officer, or two disinterested white persons of the county in which the labor is to be performed, of which each party shall have one; and said contracts shall be taken and held as entire contracts, and if the laborer shall quit the service of the employer before the expiration of his term of service, without good cause, he shall forfeit his wages for that year up to the time of quitting.
  • All freedmen, free negroes, or mulattoes who do now and have herebefore lived and cohabited together as husband and wife shall be taken and held in law as legally married, and the issue shall be taken and held as legitimate for all purposes; that it shall not be lawful for any freedman, free negro, or mulatto to intermarry with any white person; nor for any white person to intermarry with any freedman, free negro, or mulatto; and any person who shall so intermarry, shall be deemed guilty of felony, and on conviction thereof shall be confined in the State penitentiary for life; and those shall be deemed freedmen, free negroes, and mulattoes who are of pure negro blood, and those descended from a negro to the third generation, inclusive, though one ancestor in each generation may have been a white person.
  • All freedmen, free negroes and mulattoes in this State, over the age of eighteen years, found on the second Monday in January, 1866, or thereafter, with no lawful employment or business, or found unlawfully assembling themselves together, either in the day or night time, and all white persons so assembling themselves with freedmen, free negroes or mulattoes, or usually associating with freedmen, free negroes or mulattoes, on terms of equality, or living in adultery or fornication with a freed woman, free negro or mulatto, shall be deemed vagrants, and on conviction thereof shall be fined in a sum not exceeding, in the case of a freedman, free negro or mulatto, fifty dollars, and a white man two hundred dollars, and imprisoned at the discretion of the court, the free negro not exceeding ten days, and the white man not exceeding six months.
  • If any freedman, free negro, or mulatto, convicted of any of the misdemeanors provided against in this act, shall fail or refuse for the space of five days, after conviction, to pay the fine and costs imposed, such person shall be hired out by the sheriff or other officer, at public outcry, to any white person who will pay said fine and all costs, and take said convict for the shortest time.
  • If any white person shall sell, lend, or give to any freedman, free negro, or mulatto any fire-arms, dirk or bowie knife, or ammunition, or any spirituous or intoxicating liquors, such person or persons so offending, upon conviction thereof in the county court of his or her county, shall be fined not exceeding fifty dollars, and may be imprisoned, at the discretion of the court, not exceeding thirty days. Some South Carolina Black Codes:"No person of color shall migrate into and reside in this state, unless, within twenty days after his arrival within the same, he shall enter into a bond with two freeholders as sureties"
  • "Servants shall not be absent from the premises without the permission of the master"
  • Servants must assist their masters "in the defense of his own person, family, premises, or property"
    No person of color could become an artisan, mechanic, or shopkeeper unless he obtained a license from the judge of the district court – a license that could cost $100 or more. Kentucky Jim Crow Laws:Prohibited whites from marrying any Negro or any descendant of any Negro to the third generation inclusive. Penalty: Felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state penitentiary up to five years.
  • School district trustees given right to create separate schools for black children.
  • Railway companies to provide equal but separate accommodations for white and colored passengers. Penalty: Passengers or conductors not complying with the law subject to a fine of $25 or imprisonment for 20 days. Officers and directors of railway companies that fail to comply guilty of a misdemeanor and could be fined between $100 and $500. Law did not apply to streetcars.
  • Unlawful for whites and blacks to buy and consume alcohol on the same premises. Penalty: Misdemeanor, punishable by a fine between $50 to $500, or imprisonment in the parish prison or jail up to two years. North Carolina Jim Crow Laws:Prohibited marriages between whites and Negroes or Indians or persons of Negro or Indian descent to third generation.
  • White and black children shall be taught in separate public schools, "but there shall be no discrimination made in favor of, or to the prejudice of, either race."
  • Seats on all buses to be segregated by race.
  • Raleigh, N.C. repealed a portion of the city code which required racial segregation in public cemeteries.


 ... The population of Rosewood peaked in 1915 at 355 people. Florida had effectively disenfranchisedblack voters since the start of the 20th century by high requirements for voter registration; both Sumner and Rosewood were part of a single voting precinct counted by the U.S. Census. In 1920, the combined population of both towns was 638 (344 black and 294 white).[7] In 1995, survivor Robie Mortin recalled at age 79 that when she was a child there, that "Rosewood was a town where everyone's house was painted. There were roses everywhere you walked. Lovely."[9] ...


Comment by Rodney Roe on January 12, 2018 at 1:20pm

When did having your group be the subject of the most lynchings become a badge of honor?

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on January 12, 2018 at 1:45pm

I'm still waiting for you to prove I'm a liar, ABG.  

Do it or, by not proving it, admit you are totally full of shit (which we all know you are, but still...).

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on January 13, 2018 at 10:36am

Amy    Pepsi's far better than Coca-Cola.

BTW   the reason Coke won China over Pepsi back in the '80s is bc the words Ke-Ke, Ke-Le, om Mandarin, can mean Tastes Great, Tastes Happy. 

(Who says the Communist Masses aren't as idiotic as other Masses...?)


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