A Conversation About the Utility of Violence


N: Tildy just now almost caught another rat. She had it in her mouth but then it flopped around and went "meep" and got away
She didnt expect the meep
Or the flopping
But she is adjusting her tactics
We planted lettuces saturday and the rats ate half of em
So her work here is important
I've been reading all night about cameras. My first major purchase after paying L back several thousand $ is going to be a camera.
P: Chicken wire and liquid fence.
N: Liquid fence?
P: Spray it on the plants.
N: Ah
Will check it out
We're also going to install a solar-powered electric fence
For the fucking raccoons
P: Good for Tildy! She needs to learn the head shake
N: They keep gettin in the pond
P: Water is manna to racoons
N: She has the head shake down with her Hee-Haw, but these rats move so fast she's still stymied
Theyre fast
I'm torn between the Canon EOS Rebel T7i and the Canon D80
P: City rats
N: They are!
We live in the hood here for real
P: Have you been to a camera Store to play with them?
N: Not yet. I need to do that. Whichever of the two I decide on, I'm also gonna get a Panasonic Lumix FZ80
Its what they call a bridge camera
Way less expensive than a dslr but has a 60x zoom on it
P: Wow! You can get spy pictures
N: I can! Wildlife shots mostly, tho. And I gotta get a laptop, a assault rifle, and a compressor and nailgun, and a truck...
 
P: An assault rifle?
N: And a radial arm chopsaw and a Dewalt 20volt cordless drill and impact tool combo and some underwear
Yes
Im going to join the John Brown Gun Club
Aka, Redneck Revolt
They countermarch against Nazis etc
With guns
P: Sounds interesting
N: Leftists with guns. We need that, unfortunately
P: I'm not sure I agree, violence escalates. And Ghandi
MLK
N: Yes. Other people I've told this to have expressed similar reservations
P: Too many people carrying guns, someone's going to "fear for their life" and a lot of people will die
Then martial law
N: But, I have long been a proponent of "Peace, love and understanding or I'll cap your ass."
Its my nature
They threaten violence
Pacifism wont fix shit
P: The exact thing the paramilitary says they are keeping guns to avoid is going to happen because they have guns
N: Maybe
But they keep stockpiling guns, so wht shouldnt leftists?
 
P: What do you think the end result will be?
N: I dont know
Its scary out there
I no longer recognize our country
P: They stockpile guns because they're afraid
I no longer recognize the world
Too many people
And because they want to enforce their will on others
N: That's the whole problem
Fear = aggression
P: Education cancels fear
N: We are vicious, cannibalistic, overly intelligent primates
Yes, true
And education is viewed as anathema in this country
So what do you do?
P: I share knowledge where I can and hope to trigger doubt. It's a losing battle but it's all I got
And I avoid demonstrations because I'm too hot headed.
N: That is a good strategy. But when I look at the way fascism has exploded since Trumps election I feel the need to do something concrete about it
Im sick of talking
Ya know?
P: Convince the apathetic non voters to vote
N: Action
P: Start a political blog on a site that people read
You'd be a great rabble rouser
N: Ignorance and selfishness and fear are seen as virtues now. 
Ah... Yes I would!
P: Convince the people who don't vote because they think it's useless that it's not
N: That is a big part of what Redneck Revolt tries to do
Its not just about guns
It's about creating a dialogue outside the fascist narrative
P: And show the fraidy cats that their guns show them up as cowards
Dialogue with guns isn't going to change anything
N: And to offer people who are justifiably pissed off and afraid that there is an alternative to fascism
Thats the John Brown Gun Club
P: Why do they need guns?
The pen is mightier than the sword
N: To countermarch against fascists with guns
P: And someone will start shooting
N: Something fascists in this country do is assume that the left are a bunch of tofu eating, overly intellectual navel-gazers
P: Guns won't change that
N: The fascists need to be disabused of that notion
P: So toss cabers.
Do extreme fighting
N: They need to understand that violence will meet reciprocal violence
P: Ok. Just don't shoot any civilians
N: "You got guns? Well, so do we motherfuckers."
No, never
 
P: I see nothing but bad from this. My fascist co-worker believes that liberals need to give up their guns so he can be safe.
N: He is full of shit
P: He would absolutely shoot if faced with a scary liberal with a gun
N: Shoot or shit?
Fuck him
P:I know he's full of shit. He's also an ass who believes in the conservative way as the only way.
N: Fuck all of the MAGA-cap-wearing fucktards
And the Chee-To they rode in on
P: I agree. But carrying a gun to one of their rallies is a bad idea. Right now they look like idiots because they are pointing guns at unarmed counter protesters. If you show up with guns they will use it as proof that they need to escalate
N: Theyve done about wore my patience out
P: Which is why I think you need to use words
People read what you write
N: When they point guns at unarmed people they win. Hence the Redneck Revolt
P: No they don't win. They lose. Just like the cops lose when they shoot unarmed people
N: In rural areas fascist Nazi fucks are intimidating people
P: I know, I live there
N: ts getting worse all the time
P: But I have chosen to not be intimidated
They lose if they shoot
N: Leftists, and just decent people generally, stay away when the KKK comes to town
Fuck that
P: It's a face off
N: It needs to be
Face off or stay home
P: People didn't stay away from Charlottesville
And the counter protesters didn't carry guns
N: And what happened? A woman is dead and theyre charging that one black dude who was beat bloody by Nazis with assault
Charging HIM with assault
P: And the next few right wing rallies didn't happen because they knew they lost
Mass counter protest works
Why didn't anyone help the black guy?
 
N: Because he was a black guy
P: And I need to get up, I'm going to be late to work.
 
N: Ah
Of course you do
Sorry
Ranting
P: Rant away, just share it with the world
N: Drive safe to work, have an excellent day
P: You, too

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Comment by nanatehay on October 18, 2017 at 10:37am

As I told Amy yesterday, I took your comment pretty much how she did, although, as I also said, I disagree with you about the world being in stasis with our perceptions of change being nothing but delusions. More to the point, I wasn't advocating stasis or acceptance of evil or the status quo in this post; I was discussing action, action that feels like the right thing for myself to be involved in whether or not it feels like the right thing for you, and I guess it stung when you seemed to imply that I'm just another howler, user, breaker, complainer, etc. You mention benefit of the doubt, but, frankly Anna, I didn't feel much of that from you in your comment.

Comment by Arthur James on October 18, 2017 at 10:49am

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SQUARE BACK.SNOOPY?
THE DOG `AT THE JUNKYARD
CAN TELL TIME bAND WEARS
A ROLLEX.
`
A CHIHUAHUA OWNER
NAMES TWO PUPPIES
`
KILLER
&
\PSYCHO\
`
gads
`
time to go off
line & loiter
in woods...
`

Comment by Anna Herrington on October 18, 2017 at 10:50am

I didn't say your perceptions of change are delusions.

I didn't say I accept evil or the status quo, I feel the opposite actually and thought I said so in the need for reaching out, being engaged.

I wasn't implying you are another howler or complainer in the slightest. I was speaking to humanity - it happens all the time where we only see 'our' pain and hate it compared to another's but we keep on keeping on our minds on our pain and don't even *see* another's as valid, or even existing, as well, so we diminish the other. 

My saying benefit of the doubt was a thank you to Amy. I appreciated her words when I wasn't here to clarify them myself.

As I said, I almost just deleted the words in the beginning and likely would have if I hadn't been in a rush with obligations -- but I felt they meant something so left them.

They weren't received well, so be it. Nothing I said was a directed diss to you, sorry they seemed that way to you.

Comment by Arthur James on October 18, 2017 at 10:59am

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DISS...
?
KISS?
`FOLK ARE SENSITIVE
AND MAL-FORMED. BUT,
THAT'S LIFE. BE REAL.
\HEAL?\- ONE BLOGGER
@ OUR SWALON say: it's
my pont. POINT? RON P?
HE MAY THINK IF IN
VEGAS YA'S MUST REFUSE
SHEEP-MUTTON TOPPING ON
YA'S KOSHER HOT DOG? HUH?
NO EAT SALAMI ON IVE CREAM.
YA'S SCREAM FOR A BLUE CHEESE
& ?
GOAT CHEESE PIZZA PIE. WHO DO
VOLUNTARILY EAT BLUE CHEESE? I
GLAD DOC VEGA IS A VEGAN. HE IS
OFFERED CARROT SHAPED ` FRENCH
RED & WHITE RADDISHES AND HE SAY
`
NO THANKS
I A VEGAN
Ya'S NICE
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Comment by nanatehay on October 18, 2017 at 11:04am

And now I'm making a mess of trying to explain what I meant. You are one of the good people, Anna, and a deep thinker and a kind soul and all of the things Amy said in her defense of you. I'm not by any means all of those things, but I do know how to think, and I have been paying attention for a very long time and I understand history and politics and social dynamics very well indeed, and imho our country is nearer embracing genuine fascism at this moment in time than it ever has been. That concerns me greatly, and I do not believe my concern is just an anonymous flicker within some larger, inchoate mass of anger and unselfawareness...

And I'm still not explaining myself very well. Let me change tack and ask you a couple questions instead of digging myself deeper in to trying to suss what your first comment here meant; did you read the excerpt I posted last night about the John Brown Gun Club? If so, what are your thoughts on their mission statement?

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on October 18, 2017 at 11:05am

You mention benefit of the doubt, but, frankly Anna, I didn't feel much of that from you in your comment.

First of all, anybody who uses cheap ass Dewalt power tools and EVER posts a freakin Green ::throws up in her mouth:: Day video does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Secondly:  You are welcome, Anna.  You are one of the kindest, sweetest souls in this place and I TRY to listen to what you mean when you say stuff.  I will not let someone else give your kind nature shit (but will also sit back and gleefully watch you totally eviscerate someone if they do finally piss you off.  LOL)

I also kinda, sorta get what you are saying about needing to reach out, but I guess it all depends on your life experiences on whether you can routinely do that.  

For example, I spent 90% of my preteen/teen years in foster care (I think I set a new agency record for different foster care placements).  That is where I learned that when somebody "reaches" towards you they are either going to try to grope you or steal your stuff.  

So yeah, I might get pretty myopic into my own issues and rarely reach out (and damn near never let someone reach in), but that is pretty hard to unlearn.  I DO appreciate you bringing it up so I can think on changing that a bit. 

Comment by Arthur James on October 18, 2017 at 11:09am

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RE BETTER ?
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EAT
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SON GAVE ME TO
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Comment by nanatehay on October 18, 2017 at 11:28am

Whoa, cross-posting all over the place up in here. Am reading everyone's comments now, and in the meantime I need Art James to know that many Fat Tire Ales were consumed during the making of this post and my subsequent commentary on it, and also that the Dewalt 20 volt compact cordless drill is now regarded by professionals coast to coast as the ne plus ultra in cordless drills... 

Comment by Arthur James on October 18, 2017 at 11:41am

`

Smile...

now I am tempted to visit

Cambodian owned Liquor Store.

no use cordless drill on tooth.

Ask Locals to knock out tooth

with sledge hammer and sip

`

Fat Tire Ale as Medicine pain killer.

with Kimchi & Honey Wine Mead

Ya's Be Better, not sore & Bitter.

`

You remind me of a Amish Neighbor.

I set him up with electricity & Internet.

He Googled and Found a Photo of his

Naked wife on the web. I think he

'best go back to horse & buggy.

His wife traded his horse & buggy

in for a ` Connectable? Convertible

Pink Volvo ` & Ran off with dog

breeder who was a gin drunk.

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Comment by alsoknownas on October 18, 2017 at 11:47am

My Dewalt cordless drill has always been a pain, whereas my Makita continued to be reliable for 20+ years.

The Welsh Terrier I had as a kid was the best rat catcher you ever saw. When the house next door got knocked down after the people died in it, the rats all moved in with us. That was one of the best summers of my life, reading Classic Comics with a cardboard box propped up with a stick and string back to my dog and me on the porch. The bait would draw them in. Yank, box down. Wait. Pop it up so the sun would blind the little bastards then the terrier would shake the  Bejabbers out of them and I'd finish them off with the 34 inch Louisville Slugger dad had from his years as a semi-pro.

That's what this is about right?

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